Production & Supply Chain
Integrating Alkaline Electrolysis with Oxyfuel Combustion for Hydrogen and Electricity Production
Feb 2024
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The present study explores the potential of integrating the NET Zero Cycle (NZC) with hydrogen production by alkaline electrolyzers. To achieve this an Aspen Plus model was developed for the NZC and its accuracy was first confirmed by comparing it with literature data. The creation of a model for an alkaline electrolyzer was achieved using Aspen Custom Modeler and later imported into Aspen Plus. A comprehensive simulation was conducted in Aspen Plus to examine the synergies between the NZC and the alkaline electrolyzer. In this integration the oxygen demand of the NZC is met by a combination of an air separation unit (ASU) and the electrolyzer. The electrolyzer not only partially fulfills the oxygen requirements but also acts as an external heat supplier for the regenerator. Additionally the NZC supplies deionized water to the electrolyzer. A thermodynamic analysis in dicates that the integration of the NZC and alkaline electrolyzers results in a higher efficiency of 56.5 % compared to the stand-alone NZC an improvement of 2.3 %. Assuming that the NZC and alkaline electrolyzer operate at the same power production and input levels the alkaline electrolyzer can generate substantial oxygen to reduce the energy consumption of the ASU significantly. This aspect represents one of the primary reasons for the enhanced efficiency observed in this study. However the ASU still needs to be operated to provide the full oxygen demands of the process. To identify the key parameters influencing the integration of the NZC and alkaline electrolyzers a sensitivity analysis was performed. To enhance the system efficiency a comprehensive investigation was conducted to analyze the influence of key parameters such as combustor outlet temperature (COT) turbine outlet pressure (TOP) and combustor outlet pressure (COP) on the thermodynamic first law efficiency of the cycle. An increase in electrolyzer input power and a reduction in electrolyzer inlet feed were associated with a higher cycle effi ciency. The results also highlight that the TOP COT and the electrolyzer input power have a more significant impact on the cycle thermodynamic first law efficiency within the range of 5.7 4.0 and 2.6 % respectively while COP only causes a 0.4 % change in cycle efficiency. The integrated system demonstrates an impressive system first law thermodynamic efficiency of 62.5 % and exergy efficiency of 60.6 %.
Projecting Technological Advancement of Electrolyzers and the Impact on the Competitiveness of Hydrogen
Dec 2024
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Green hydrogen has the potential to decarbonize hard-to-abate sectors and processes and should therefore play an important role in the energy system in achieving climate goals. However the main hydrogen supply is still based on fossil fuels and only limited amounts of electrolyzers have been installed. Switching from fossil-based fuel sources to green hydrogen is highly dependent on when and at what price green hydrogen will become available which in turn is dependent on the technological development of electrolyzers. In this paper we apply the experience curve methodology to project the capital expenditure and electrical consumption developments of the three main electrolysis technologies: alkaline proton exchange membrane and solid oxide electrolysis. Based on our calculations we expect that both AEL and PEM will reach similar costs by 2030 of around 300 e per kW and SOEC will remain the most expensive technology with a considerable cost reduction down to 828 e per kW. The electrical consumptions will fall to 4.23 kWh per Nm3 for AEL 3.86 kWh per Nm3 for PEM and 3.05 kWh per Nm3 for SOEC. Based on this technological progress we calculate that the levelized cost of hydrogen will be reduced to 2.43–3.07 e per kg. To reach lower levelized cost of hydrogen notable reductions in electricity (purchase) cost are required.
Green Hydrogen Techno-economic Assessments from Simulated and Measured Solar Photovoltaic Power Profiles
Nov 2024
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Studies estimating the production cost of hydrogen-based fuels known as e-fuels often use renewable power profile time series obtained from open-source simulation tools that rely on meteorological reanalysis and satellite data such as Renewables.ninja or PVGIS. These simulated time series contain errors compared to real on-site measured data which are reflected in e-fuels cost estimates plant design and operational performance increasing the risk of inaccurate plant design and business models. Focusing on solar-powered e-fuels this study aims to quantify these errors using high-quality on-site power production data. A state-of-the-art optimization techno-economic model was used to estimate e-fuel production costs by utilizing either simulated or high-quality measured PV power profiles across four sites with different climates. The results indicate that in cloudy climates relying on simulated data instead of measured data can lead to an underestimation of the fuel production costs by 36 % for a hydrogen user requiring a constant supply considering an original error of 1.2 % in the annual average capacity factor. The cost underestimation can reach 25 % for a hydrogen user operating between 40 % and 100 % load and 17.5 % for a fully flexible user. For comparison cost differences around 20 % could also result from increasing the electrolyser or PV plant costs by around 55 % which highlights the importance of using high-quality renewable power profiles. To support this an open-source collaborative repository was developed to facilitate the sharing of measured renewable power profiles and provide tools for both time series analysis and green hydrogen techno-economic assessments.
Industrial Waste Gases as a Resource for Sustainable Hydrogen Production: Resource Availability, Production Potential, Challenges, and Prospects
May 2024
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Industrial sectors pivotal for the economic prosperity of nations rely heavily on affordable reliable and environmentally friendly energy sources. Industries like iron and steel oil refineries and coal-fired power plants while instrumental to national economies are also the most significant contributors to waste gases that contain substantial volumes of carbon monoxide (CO). CO can be converted to a highly efficient and carbon free fuel hydrogen (H2) through a well-known water gas shift reaction. However the untapped potential of H2 from waste industrial streams is yet to be explored. This is the first article that investigates the potential of H2 production from industrial waste gases. The available resource (i.e. CO) and its H2 production potential are estimated. The article also provides insights into the principal challenges and potential avenues for long-term adoption. The results showed that 249.14 MTPY of CO are available to produce 17.44 MTPY of H2 annually. This suggests a significant potential for H2 production from waste gases to revolutionize industrial waste management and contribute significantly towards Sustainable Development Goals 7 9 and 13ensuring access to affordable reliable sustainable and modern energy for all and taking decisive climate action respectively.
Towards a Multi-color Hydrogen Production Network? Competing Imaginaries of Development in Northern Patagonia, Argentina
Feb 2024
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Green hydrogen has recently gained importance as a key element in the transition to a low-carbon energy future sparking a boom in possible production regions. This article aims at situating incipient hydrogen production in the Argentine province of Río Negro within a global production network (GPN). The early configuration of the hydrogen-GPN includes several stakeholders and is contested in many ways. To explore the possible materialization of the hydrogen economy in Argentina this article links GPN literature to the concept of sociotechnical imaginaries. In so doing this study finds three energy imaginaries linked to hydrogen development: First advocates of green hydrogen (GH2) project a sociotechnical imaginary in which GH2 is expected to promote scientific and technological progress. Second proponents of blue hydrogen point to Vaca Muerta and the role of natural gas for energy autonomy. Third opponents of the GH2 project question the underlying growth and export model emphasizing conservation and domestic energy sovereignty. The competition between different capital fractions i.e. green and fossil currently poses the risk of pro-fossil path decisions and lock-in effects. Current power constellations have led to the replacement of green with low-emission resulting in the promotion of multi-colored hydrogen. This is particularly evident in the draft for the new national hydrogen law and the actors involved in defining the national hydrogen strategy. The conceptual combination of actors and their interests their current power relations and the sociotechnical imaginaries they deploy illustrates how Argentina's energy future is already being shaped today.
Profitability Model of Green Hydrogen Production on an Existing Wind Power Plant Location
Feb 2024
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This paper presents a new economic profitability model for a power-to-gas plant producing green hydrogen at the site of an existing wind power plant injected into the gas grid. The model is based on a 42 MW wind power plant for which an optimal electrolyzer of 10 MW was calculated based on the 2500 equivalent full load hours per year and the projection of electricity prices. The model is calculated on an hourly level for all variables of the 25 years of the model. With the calculated breakeven electricity price of 74.23 EUR/MWh and the price of green hydrogen production of 99.44 EUR/MWh in 2045 the wind power plant would produce 22410 MWh of green hydrogen from 31% of its total electricity production. Green hydrogen injected into the gas system would reduce the level of CO2 emissions by 4482 tons. However with the projected prices of natural gas and electricity the wind power plant would cover only 20% of the income generated by the electricity delivered to the grid by producing green hydrogen. By calculating different scenarios in the model the authors concluded that the introduction of a premium subsidy model is necessary to accelerate deployment of electrolyzers at the site of an existing wind power plant in order to increase the wind farm profitability.
Hydrogen Production from Municipal Waste and Low Grade Lignite Blend
Nov 2024
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The updraft rotating bed gasifier (URBG) offers a sustainable solution for waste-to-energy conversion utilizing low-grade lignite and municipal solid waste (MSW) from metropolitan dumping sites. This study investigates the co-gasification of lignite with various MSW components demonstrating a significant enhancement in gasification efficiency due to the synergistic effects arising from their higher hydrogen-to-carbon (H/C) ratios. We find feedstock blending is key to maximizing gasification efficiency from 11% to 52% while reducing SO emissions from 739 mg/kg to 155 mg/kg. Increasing the combustion zone temperature to 1100 K resulted in a peak hydrogen yield which was 19% higher than at 800 K. However steam management is complicated as increasing it improves hydrogen fraction in produced gas but gasification efficiency is compromised. These findingsshowcase the URBG’s potential to address both energy production and waste management challenges guiding fossil-reliant regions toward a more sustainable energy future.
Optimizing Sustainable Energy Systems: A Comparative Study of Geothermal-powered Desalination for Green Hydrogen Production
Oct 2024
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The synergy between hydrogen and water is crucial in moving towards a sustainable energy future. This study explores the integration of geothermal energy with desalination and hydrogen production systems to address water and clean energy demands. Two configurations one using multi-effect distillation (MED) and the other reverse osmosis (RO) were designed and compared. Both configurations utilized geothermal energy with MED directly using geothermal heat and RO converting geothermal energy into electricity to power desalination. The systems are evaluated based on various performance indicators including net power output desalinated water production hydrogen production exergy efficiency and levelized costs. Multi-objective optimization using an artificial neural network (ANN) and genetic algorithm (GA) was conducted to identify optimal operational conditions. Results highlighted that the RO-based system demonstrated higher water production efficiency achieving a broader range of optimal solutions and lower levelized costs of water (LCOW) and hydrogen production while the MED-based system offered economic advantages under specific conditions. A case study focused on Canada illustrated the potential benefits of these systems in supporting hydrogen-powered vehicles and residential water needs emphasizing the significant impact of using high-quality desalinated water to enhance the longevity and efficiency of proton exchange membrane electrolyzers (PEME). This research provides valuable insights into the optimal use of geothermal energy for sustainable water and hydrogen production.
Hydrogen Production from Wastewater: A Comprehensive Review of Conventional and Solar Powered Technologies
Mar 2024
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The need to reduce the carbon footprint of conventional energy sources has made green hydrogen a promising solution for the energy transition. The most environmentally friendly way to produce hydrogen is through water-based production using renewable energy. However the availability of fresh water is limited so switching to wastewater instead of fresh water is the key solution to this problem. In response to this issue the present review reports the main findings of the research studies dealing with the feasibility of hydrogen production from wastewater using various technologies including biological electrochemical and advanced oxidation routes. These methods have been studied in a large number of experiments with the aim of investigating and improving the potential of each method. On the other hand the maturity of solar energy technologies has led researchers to focus on the possibility of harnessing this source and combining it with wastewater treatment techniques for the production of green hydrogen. Therefore the present review pays special attention to solar driven hydrogen production from wastewater by highlighting the potential of several technologies for simultaneous water treatment and green hydrogen production from wastewater. Recent results limitations challenges possible improvements and techno-economic assessments reported by several authors as well as future directions of research and industrial implementation in this field are reported.
Multi-state Load Model for Multiple Hydrogen Electrolysers Operation in the Power Grid
Jan 2025
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This paper presents multiple hydrogen electrolysers integrations in the power grid and their operational stra tegies for better performance. Electrolysers have been considered as electrical loads and multi-state load model for the operation of an electrolysers have been proposed. Strategy for the operation of multiple electrolysers at different positions in a grid are formulated and Multi-State Round Robin strategy is proposed. The proposed strategy is validated by implementing that to a coastal power grid and to meet the hydrogen energy demand of vessels at the ports. Simulation has been conducted modeling the grid and electrolysers in DIgSILENT Power factory. A comparison has been performed between two state load model and multi state load model considering Multi-State Round Robin operational strategy. Line loading and hydrogen production are the considered per formance indicators. The results show that the proposed model and strategy improves the hydrogen production and operational flexibility of the system.
Review on Bubble Dynamics in Proton Exchange Membrane Water Electrolysis: Towards Optimal Green Hydrogen Yield
Dec 2023
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Water electrolysis using a proton exchange membrane (PEM) holds substantial promise to produce green hydrogen with zero carbon discharge. Although various techniques are available to produce hydrogen gas the water electrolysis process tends to be more cost-effective with greater advantages for energy storage devices. However one of the challenges associated with PEM water electrolysis is the accumulation of gas bubbles which can impair cell performance and result in lower hydrogen output. Achieving an in-depth knowledge of bubble dynamics during electrolysis is essential for optimal cell performance. This review paper discusses bubble behaviors measuring techniques and other aspects of bubble dynamics in PEM water electrolysis. It also examines bubble behavior under different operating conditions as well as the system geometry. The current review paper will further improve the understanding of bubble dynamics in PEM water electrolysis facilitating more competent inexpensive and feasible green hydrogen production.
Acidification-based Direct Electrolysis of Treated Wastewater for Hydrogen Production and Water Reuse
Oct 2023
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This report describes the direct electrolysis of treated wastewater (as a catholyte) to produce hydrogen and potentially reuse the water. To suppress the negative shift of the cathodic potential due to an increase in pH by the hydrogen evolution reaction (HER) the treated wastewater is acidified using the synergetic effect of protons generated from the bipolar membrane and inor ganic precipitation occurred at the surface of the cathode during the HER. Natural seawater as an accessible source for Mg2+ ions was added to the treated wastewater because the concentration of Mg2+ ions contained in the original wastewater was too low for acidification to occur. The mixture of treated wastewater with seawater was acidified to pH 3 allowing the initial cathode potential to be maintained for more than 100 h. The amount of inorganic precipitates formed on the cathode surface is greater than that in the control case (adding 0.5 M NaCl instead of seawater) but does not adversely affect the cathodic potential and Faradaic efficiency for H2 production. Additionally it was confirmed that less organic matter was adsorbed to the inorganic deposits under acidic conditions. These indicate that acidification plays an important role in improving the performance and stability of low-grade water electrolysis. Considering that the treated wastewater is discharged near the ocean acidification-based electrolysis of the effluent with seawater can be a water reuse technology for green hydrogen production enhancing water resilience and contributing to the circular economy of water resources.
Key Components and Design Strategy for a Proton Exchange Membrane Water Electrolyzer
Oct 2022
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As the most attractive energy carrier hydrogen production through electro-chemical water splitting (EWS) is promising for resolving the serious environ-mental problems derived from the rapid consumption of fossil fuels globally. Theproton exchange membrane water electrolyzer (PEMWE) is one of the mostpromising EWS technologies and has achieved great advancements. To offer atimely reference for the progress of the PEMWE system the latest advancementsand developments of PEMWE technology are systematically reviewed. The keycomponents including the electrocatalysts PEM and porous transport layer(PTL) as well as bipolar plate (BPP) are first introduced and discussed followedby the membrane electrode assembly and cell design. The highlights are put onthe design of the electrocatalyst and the relationship of each component on theperformance of the PEMWE. Moreover the current challenges and future per-spectives for the development of PEMWE are also discussed. There is a hope thatthis review can provide a timely reference for future directions in PEMWEchallenges and perspectives.
Advancing "Carbon Peak" and "Carbon Neutrality" in China: A Comprehensive Review of Current Global Research on Carbon Capture, Utilization, and Storage Technology and its Implications
Nov 2023
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Carbon capture utilization and storage (CCUS) technology plays a pivotal role in China’s “Carbon Peak” and “Carbon Neutrality” goals. This approach offers low-carbon zero-carbon and even negative-carbon solutions. This paper employs bibliometric analysis using the Web of Science to comprehensively review global CCUS progress and discuss future development prospects in China. The findings underscore it as a prominent research focus attracting scholars from both domestic and international arenas. China notably leads the global landscape in terms of research paper output with the Chinese Academy of Sciences holding a prominent position in total published papers. The research predominantly centers on refining geological storage techniques and optimizing oil and gas recovery rates. Among the CCUS pathways enhanced oil recovery technology stands out due to its relative maturity and commercial applicability particularly within the conventional oil and gas reservoirs. The application potential of enhanced gas recovery technology especially in the Sichuan and Ordos Basins in China necessitates robust research and demonstration efforts. Within China’s current energy landscape “Blue Hydrogen” emerges as the primary solution for hydrogen production in conjunction with CCUS technology. The underground coal gasification approach holds significant promise as a hydrogen production avenue albeit with inherent ecological and environmental challenges tied to geological storage that require meticulous consideration. The establishment of effective risk identification and evaluation methodologies for geological storage is imperative. The trajectory ahead involves a strategic convergence of policy technology and market dynamics to enhance China’s CCUS policy framework legislative framework standardization initiatives and pioneering technological advancements. These collective efforts converge to outline an exclusive development pathway in China. This study assumes a pivotal role in accelerating CCUS technology research and deployment enhancing oil and gas recovery efficiency and ultimately realizing the overarching goals of a “Dual Carbon” future.
Numerical Investigation of Hydrogen Production via Methane Steam Reforming in Tubular Packed Bed Reactors Integrated with Annular Metal Foam Gas Channels
Sep 2025
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Methane steam reforming is the most widely adopted hydrogen production technology. To address the challenges associated with the large radial thermal resistance and low mass transfer rates inherent in the tubular packed bed reactors during the MSR process this study proposes a structural design optimization that integrates annular metal foam gas channels along the inner wall of the reforming tubes. Utilizing multi-physics simulation methods and taking the conventional tubular reactor as a baseline a comparative analysis was performed on physical parameters that characterize flow behavior heat transfer and reaction in the reforming process. The integration of the annular channels induces a radially non-uniform distribution of flow resistance in the tubes. Since the metal foam exhibits lower resistance the fluid preferentially flows through the annular channels leading to a diversion effect that enhances both convective heat transfer and mass transfer. The diversion effect redirects the central flow toward the near-wall region where the higher reactant concentration promotes the reaction. Additionally the higher thermal conductivity of the metal foam strengthens radial heat transfer further accelerating the reaction. The effects of operating parameters on performance were also investigated. While a higher inlet velocity tends to hinder the reaction in tubes integrated with annular channels it enhances the diversion effect and convective heat transfer. This offsets the adverse impact maintaining high methane conversion with lower pressure drop and thermal resistance than the conventional tubular reactor does.
Green Hydrogen Production by Water Electrolysis: Current Status and Challenges
Apr 2024
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The scientific and industrial communities worldwide have recently achieved impressive technical advances in developing innovative electrocatalysts and electrolysers for water and seawater splitting. The viability of water electrolysis for commercial applications however remains elusive and the key barriers are durability cost performance materials manufacturing and system simplicity especially with regard to running on practical water sources like seawater. This paper therefore primarily aims to provide a concise overview of the most recent disruptive water-splitting technologies and materials that could reshape the future of green hydrogen production. Starting from water electrolysis fundamentals the recent advances in developing durable and efficient electrocatalysts for modern types of electrolysers such as decoupled electrolysers seawater electrolysers and unconventional hybrid electrolysers have been represented and precisely annotated in this report. Outlining the most recent advances in water and seawater splitting the paper can help as a quick guide in identifying the gap in knowledge for modern water electrolysers while pointing out recent solutions for cost-effective and efficient hydrogen production to meet zero-carbon targets in the short to near term.
Influence of the Initial State of ZrO2 on Genesis, Activity and Stability of Ni/ZrO2 Catalysts for Steam Reforming of Glycerol
Mar 2021
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The effect of the initial state of ZrO2 on properties of Ni/ZrO2 catalysts for hydrogen production in steam reforming of glycerol was investigated. The catalysts were synthesized by impregnating the supports obtained by varying the treatment temperature of ZrO2‧nH2O and introducing Y2O3 as a promoter. All materials were characterized by thermal analysis X-ray diffraction N2 physisorption scanning electron microscopy H2-TPR NH3-TPD and transmission electron microscopy. The mutual influence of NiO and ZrO2 on the genesis of the phase composition pore structure and reducibility was demonstrated. Different catalytic behavior is explained by influence of the initial form of the support on the size morphology of Ni particles and the support thermal stability. The initial activity of Ni/ZrO2is proportional to the monoclinic phase content. The catalysts based on tetragonal ZrO2 displayed the best stability. For the first time the presence of the aldol condensation products in glycerol steam reforming was demonstrated.
Techno-Economic Assessment of Biogas-to-Methanol Processes Coupled with Low-Carbon H2 Production Technologies
Jan 2025
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In order to realize carbon mitigation and the efficient utilization of waste biogas the biogas-to-methanol process is an important method. The syngas produced by the conventional biogas reforming technology is rich in CO2 and CO whereas it is poor in hydrogen. Therefore additional H2 is introduced into the system to adjusted the syngas ratio promoting the efficient conversion of the biogas. However the use of traditional H2 production technologies generally results in considerable carbon emissions. Given these points low-carbon H2 production technologies namely methane pyrolysis technology and chemical looping reforming technology are integrated with the biogas-to-methanol process to enhance carbon conversion carbon reduction and cost-saving potentials. Comprehensive technical and economic comparisons of the integrated processes are conducted. The process coupled with chemical looping reforming technology has a higher carbon conversion efficiency (73.52%) and energy efficiency (70.41%) and lower unit carbon emissions (0.73 t CO2/t methanol). Additionally the process coupled with methane pyrolysis technology has higher product revenue whereas that including chemical looping reforming technology has a lower net production cost (571.33 USD/t methanol). In summary the novel chemical looping reforming technology provides a cleaner and more sustainable pathway with which to promote the efficient conversion of biogas into methanol.
Machine Learning Prediction of Photovoltaic Hydrogen Production Capacity Using Long Short-Term Memory Model
Jan 2025
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The yield of photovoltaic hydrogen production systems is influenced by a number of factors including weather conditions the cleanliness of photovoltaic modules and operational efficiency. Temporal variations in weather conditions have been shown to significantly impact the output of photovoltaic systems thereby influencing hydrogen production. To address the inaccuracies in hydrogen production capacity predictions due to weather-related temporal variations in different regions this study develops a method for predicting photovoltaic hydrogen production capacity using the long short-term memory (LSTM) neural network model. The proposed method integrates meteorological parameters including temperature wind speed precipitation and humidity into a neural network model to estimate the daily solar radiation intensity. This approach is then integrated with a photovoltaic hydrogen production prediction model to estimate the region’s hydrogen production capacity. To validate the accuracy and feasibility of this method meteorological data from Lanzhou China from 2013 to 2022 were used to train the model and test its performance. The results show that the predicted hydrogen production agrees well with the actual values with a low mean absolute percentage error (MAPE) and a high coefficient of determination (R2 ). The predicted hydrogen production in winter has a MAPE of 0.55% and an R2 of 0.985 while the predicted hydrogen production in summer has a slightly higher MAPE of 0.61% and a lower R2 of 0.968 due to higher irradiance levels and weather fluctuations. The present model captures long-term dependencies in the time series data significantly improving prediction accuracy compared to conventional methods. This approach offers a cost-effective and practical solution for predicting photovoltaic hydrogen production demonstrating significant potential for the optimization of the operation of photovoltaic hydrogen production systems in diverse environments.
A Comparative Science-Based Viability Assessment Among Current and Emerging Hydrogen Production Technologies
Jan 2025
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This research undertakes a comparative analysis of current and emerging hydrogen (H2) production technologies evaluating them based on quantitative and qualitative decision criteria. The quantitative criteria include cost of H2 production (USD/kg H2) energy consumption (MJ/kg H2) global warming potential (kg CO2-eq/kg H2) and technology energy efficiency (%). The qualitative criteria encompass technology readiness level (TRL) and availability of supply chain materials (classified as low medium or high). To achieve these objectives an extensive literature review has been conducted systematically assessing the selected H2 production technologies against the aforementioned criteria. The insights synthesized from the literature provide a foundation for an informed science-based evaluation of the potentials and techno-economic challenges that these technologies face in achieving the 1-1-1 goal set by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) in 2021. This target aims for a H2 production cost of USD 1/kg H2 within one decade (by 2031) including costs associated with production delivery and dispensing at H2 fueling stations (HRSs). Also the DOE established an interim goal of USD 2/kg H2 by 2026. This research concludes that among the examined H2 production technologies water electrolysis and biomass waste valorization emerge as the most promising near-term solutions to meet the DOE’s goal.
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